3rd Century Origen on Knowledge from Christ.
Why the Christian intellectual Origen was careless.
On Principles (the Preface), by Origen, early 3rd century
"All who believe ... derive the knowledge which incites men to a good and happy life from no other source than from the very words and teaching of Christ.
"And by the words of Christ we do not mean those only which He spoke when He became man ... for before that time, Christ, the Word of God, was in Moses and the prophets ... Moreover ... after His ascension into heaven He spoke in His apostles.
Dobbie says: Origen knows all of this ... because he read the Bible. However, it was moot whether there was reality in what he read.
Origen: "For without the Word of God, how could they have been able to prophesy of Christ?"
Dobbie says: Well, they didn't prophesy of Christ. Instead, they turned scripture around in order to get from it prophecy of Christ.
Origen: "I think it sufficient to quote this one testimony of Paul from the Epistle to the Hebrews, in which he says ..."
Dobbie says: Paul didn't write the Epistle to the Hebrews. It was authored by an unknown about AD 100.
Origen: "After His ascension into heaven He spoke in His apostles ... shown by Paul in these words: [1 Corinthians 15:3] 'Or do you seek a proof of Christ who speaks in me'?"
Dobbie says: Origen thinks Christ spoke in Paul, which apostle says Christ spoke in him. Origen thinks Paul knows what he's talking about. For Origen, the end result is circular reasoning.
And this was just the first few paragraphs of Origen's preface!