Dec 20, 2014

Third-century Origen claims knowledge from Christ

In the third century, Origen claims knowledge from Christ.
Why the Christian intellectual Origen was careless.  

On Principles (the Preface) by Origen, early third century
"All who believe ... derive the knowledge which incites men to a good and happy life from no other source than from the very words and teaching of Christ. 

"And by the words of Christ we do not mean those only which He spoke when He became man ... for before that time, Christ, the Word of God, was in Moses and the prophets ... Moreover ... after His ascension into heaven He spoke in His apostles 

Dobbie says: Origen knows all of this because he read ... the Bible. However, it's whether there's reality in what he had read.  

Origen: "For without the Word of God, how could they have been able to prophesy of Christ?"  

Dobbie says: Well, they didn't prophesy of Christ. Instead, they turned scripture around to make prophecy of Christ come from it . 

Origen: "I think it sufficient to quote this one testimony of Paul from the Epistle to the Hebrews, in which he says ..." 

Dobbie says: Paul didn't write the Epistle to the Hebrews. It was authored by an unknown around AD 100. 
Origen: "After His ascension into heaven He spoke in His apostles ... shown by Paul in these words: [1 Corinthians 15:3] 'Or do you seek a proof of Christ who speaks in me'?"  

Dobbie says: Origen claims Christ spoke in Paul, the apostle who says Christ spoke in him. Origen claims that Paul know what he was talking about. For Origen, circular reasoning is the end result.  

And this comes from only the first few paragraphs of Origen's preface!

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